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Can someone explain why the bell tower, which has already cost taxpayers millions, is getting another $1. 5 million to repair? It would "only" cost $726, 000 to take down. I'm guessing this won't be the last of repairs needed either. As a taxpayer I find this insane!  
Can someone explain why the bell tower, which has already cost taxpayers millions, is getting anothe

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+23 votes
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It’s a symbol of Naperville. Even though it’s only 20 years old or so. I personally never like it, but if people like it then it needs upkeep, just like anything else!  
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@iden True, but I believe the official symbol of Naperville is a BMW turning a corner without signaling.  
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@horripilate71743 now that guy needs Ribfest named after him! He’s notorious!  
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@horripilate71743 actually it’s a Lexus that always goes first at a four way stop no matter who got there first.  
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I'm not an engineer, but when this thing was first proposed, I thought "what about the rust, weakening structural issues, exposure to the elements, etc.? Who's going to pay for the aging? " If somebody like me thinks of those details, why didn't professionals think before building?  
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@leishaleishmania The private group that started it ran out of money.  
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@leishaleishmania there are several in Illinois and many worldwide that are over 100 years old. was this one built wrong, or just neglected. Anything left neglected won’t last very long.  
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@horripilate71743 Tesla or Audi SUV now
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@thisbe. Tesla, Audi, BMW, Lexus. doesn't really matter, none of them are actually going to "stop" at the stop sign anyway.  
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Is EVERY building or construction project "a symbol of Naperville? "
+22 votes
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One of t he problems with Govt projects it they always have to go out to "bid". Low bidder always wins.  
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That wasn't the problem with the carillon. A private group raised some money to build it but they didn't have enough to finish the job. The city took it over. To save money, they didn't pay to have the exterior prepared the way it should have been, hence the water damage. It wasn't a fault of low bidding, it was the fault of not enough money. I too think it should be scrapped.  
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Also wasnt there an issue with putting an elevator in instead of putting the glass casing in that it was supposed to have?  
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@ornamental There is an elevator
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@osanna10 I had heard somewhere that the original design called for it to be cased in glass and not have the elevator. TPTB chose the elevator over the casing, which is why the concrete is failing.  
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@ornamental . because the original private group that was funding it ran out of money.  
+22 votes
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Because government will never be able to spend your money as wisely as you can.  
+24 votes
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Because Naperville is actually in the black and are mandated to spend the money. So like most rich suburban communities, instead of taking less or giving more to its workers, it dumps it into capital projects.  
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@wexler176 how are they mandated to spend extra revenue? Most responsible local govts would return that money to the residents it belongs to.  
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@alevin4404 Its not what they would do. Its what they SHOULD do, but thats like putting toothpaste back in the tube. I work in a town thats in the same situation. They cry poor with their employees, trying to arbitrate union contracts, cut jobs, outsource services, all while having some of the best financials in the state. To the point that they ARE mandated to use that money. They dump it into capital projects.  
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@wexler176 the government should do all of those things if it's in the name of spending as little of the residents' money as possible. I'm guessing that's not the primary goal. At the end of the day, government should be as thrifty as possible, excesses should be returned to the people who earned the money, and contracts should be renegotiated if they are a bad deal for residents.  
+18 votes
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Its worth saving because it’s actually a historical point of reference and is something that is recognizable with Naperville. They put in the work and and made plans to put it up now maintain it for future generations like the Riverwalk and the place across the street they sell as a historic epicenter.  
+19 votes
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I’ll take that thing down for 500k and a key to the city. I’ll let you guys think about it, get back to me  
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I’ll sweeten the deal actually, just because I like you guys here’s what I’m gonna do. I’ll knock that thing down haul it all away 450k key to the city and you rename A high school after me. 
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OK, OK. you’s guys run a hard bargain. Don’t let anybody else with a Carillon know I did this for you. 400, 000 key to the city rename a high school for me and name me grand marshal of the Fourth of July parade. Ok? Listen, I ain’t making any money here at this point it’s for the community I just need a hard yes or a hard no
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@wexler176 Castle You Da’MAN. . You’ll shit BRICKS if they took you up on it. lolololol.  
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@guildsman46 bro I’d be there the next day with my sledgehammer.  
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@wexler176 Castle Ooooh. That definitely sonds like fun. Maybe we could all go and get a headstart on the groundlevel, JUST to show them what we could do. I'm IN for that.  
+15 votes
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Because it's one of under 20 that exist in the world and it's a nice thing to have in our community. They're not going to raise taxes for it so why are you complaining?  
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How does money get spent and not affect taxes?  
by (560 points)
@philpot when they don't raise them then it doesn't affect them. I'm always wondering why people complain about taxes in Naperville when just about ever surrounding community is taxed at a higher rate. If you would have read through anything regarding this issue you'd know what I'm talking about when it comes to complaining.  
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@iden Goodwin Sorry, when the government spends money, it comes from taxes, fees, assessments, etc. I don't care if they don't have to increase taxes to fix the carillon, they should demolish it and either use the difference to pay bond debt, or reduce taxes, or do something more meaningful.  
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@philpot I disagree
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@iden Goodwin OK, so from where does the money come?  
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@philpot did you read anything from this article?  
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@iden Goodwin "this article" - are you talking about teh one by Bill Mego, linked below? It mentions nothing about "free money" being used to repair the eyesore.  
+24 votes
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Article from 2017 Mego: Naperville carillon a mistake, but no choice now but to fix it By BILL MEGO JUN 14, 2017 | 6:35 PM Naperville's Millennium Carillon should teach us some valuable lessons. The first is that exciting ideas are not necessarily good ideas. In fact, it can be argued the more exciting an idea is the more you may eventually regret having it. The second lesson is you should never attempt to get a project done by a certain date just to celebrate something, in this case the beginning of the new millennium in 2000. Engineers need lots of time to determine what the actual cost will be and to detect and correct flaws in the design that might cause trouble. The third lesson is never cut corners to save money, like leaving off a protective glass enclosure, because in the long run you won't save anything. The fourth is to never rely on volunteers for money. They will reliably provide labor, but the cash always dries up when their interest wanes and some new venture grabs their attention. I've never concealed the fact I don't particularly care for the carillon. When individual notes are played, it sounds charming, but when several are played at the same time, I couldn't for the life of me tell you what the song is. To me, it sounds as though someone poured a big box of ball bearings down the bell tower. The way it was explained to me is that because they are so large, each of the bells is just a little bit out of tune. The harmonics that are created when several notes are played at once interfere with each other. That's why a good orchestra tries so hard to make sure all the instruments are in tune with each other. [Most read] Hundreds attend burial in South Bend for fetuses stored in Will County garage by late abortion doctor Ulrich Klopfer » The idea for the carillon apparently came into a retired principal's head in 1997. The proposal for a $1 million, 49-bell tower was presented to the Celebration 2000 committee in February 1998. One month later, the committee said, "No, thanks, do it yourselves. " So they did. The Naperville Carillon Foundation was formed that summer, the size of the carillon was expanded and a company in the Netherlands was chosen to cast the 72 bells, which were offered for sale to the public. The smallest bell cost a couple of thousand dollars, while the largest cost a whopping $70, 000. By late spring 1999 the bells had been sold, and the largest bell had been parked outside a local tavern on Washington Street. A year later, construction of what had now become a $6. 5 million bell tower was complete, and the first concert was scheduled for late June. But of course the excitement of the new millennium had passed, and money was not exactly rolling in. It took five years before the Naperville City Council decided to take over the Carillon Foundation's debt and finish constructing it using Special Events and Cultural Amenities funds. By then chunks of the tower's concrete were already beginning to fall off. Now the tower needs major repairs. There has always been a sizable faction of Napervillians that believes the thing should be torn down to save tax money, and indeed that would probably be the wisest thing to do. However, I don't believe that will ever happen. For one thing, it just doesn't seem right to scrap all those bells inscribed with the names of their donors, who were told and believed their extraordinary generosity would be recorded in perpetuity. Also, the tower is now world famous and strongly identified with the town, and especially the Riverwalk. Businesses have come to rely on that symbolism, as well as things like the concerts, weddings and tours. Naperville carillon reopens for tours, sets summer concert schedule MUNDELEIN Naperville carillon reopens for tours, sets summer concert schedule So let's not whine about it. Bite the bullet, spend the $3 million, build the protective enclosure, repair the mortar and do whatever it takes to stop the corrosion. Some lessons are expensive, as this one certainly will be, but it will be worth it if we understand how this project went wrong and how to make sure the next one doesn't. bill. mego@sbcglobal. net Opinion Naperville Newsletter - Chicago Tribune Start every day with the stories you need to know delivered to your inbox from the Chicago Tribune SUBSCRIBE LATEST OPINION OPINION Decent: Seniors taking their golden years into their own hands by deciding how and where they want to live 4h Decent: Seniors taking their golden years into their own hands by deciding how and where they want to live OPINION Letters to the Editor 11:36 AM Letters to the Editor SUBURBS Speak Out FEB 12, 2020 Speak Out OPINION Letters to the Editor FEB 7, 2020 OPINION Decent: Valentine’s Day so much sweeter the second time around FEB 7, 2020 Decent: Valentine’s Day so much sweeter the second time around
+20 votes
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It’s an eye sore. I wish they would have tore it down.  
+23 votes
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So glad 10% of the Naperville population can hear it. If only some of that money could go to the second brush pick up they took away years ago.  
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@nevernever75449 unlike the gun club where 100% of the residents can hear it 5 miles away. Twice a week all year long.  
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Awe comeon Tom, we've already lost our 6pm fire whistle. It wouldn't be the same without the shooting guys or the carillion
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@mood118. Yeah, but the gun club was, is and always will be a great thing. The tower. thing wasnt/isn't, based on the repair estimates which have been stated as between 876 thousand and 2. 5 million.  
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Stef, I'm Curious what it cost to remove all the lead shot at the gun club when they redid it a few years back ? These days, why would anyone want to hear gunshots twice a week all year long ?  
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@mood118 I must be out of touch. Sorry. When did the gun club become city property?  
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Sportsman’s Park, a 27-acre property given to the City of Naperville in the Caroline Martin-Mitchell bequest, is a unique community amenity, including a trapshooting facility that is open two days per week and valuable green space for the public to enjoy just minutes from downtown Naperville. Under a lease agreement with the City of Naperville, the Naperville Park District maintains and operates Sportsman’s Park in collaboration with the Naperville Sportsman’s Club. For information about the Naperville Sportsman's Club visit their website at www. napervillesportsmansclub. org
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@mood118 You’re right Tom. That falls right in line with the Tower as far as use and expense. Oh well at least it’s not called Trump Tower.  
+25 votes
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The true symbol of Naperville is never tipping your dog groomer while driving up in the BMW and Lexus.  
by (310 points)
@iden Goodwin what does “You types of people mean? ”
+15 votes
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It’s an eye sore and I never liked the sound it makes. To me it’s not very pleasing.  
+23 votes
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I’ve always loved the carillon. I go to the park several times in the summer just to sit and listen to the chimes. I’ve taken out of town visitors on the tour, and I have some stunning photographs of the tower. I’m in the minority on this thread, but I hope it’s restored and enjoyed for years to come.  
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@casilde I agree with you
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I totally agree. Thanks for the positive "note".  
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I agree with you.  
+16 votes
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Year it down
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@overall. Yes! TEAR it down too !  
+23 votes
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Tear the damn money pit down.  
+25 votes
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Carillon. Total cluster. -Rotary Hill and park is Naperville Park District land. -City owns the Tower -Park District performs maintenance (cleaning, etc) -The volunteer committee that started the building signed contracts with cell companies to raise money to help build the tower -City finished the tower with a loan and then SECA grants. -Cell companies made the carillon the largest cell tower in the city. Contract lengths and cancellation penalties were unknown. -Park District installed point-to-point wireless from the carillon to all their buildings in the area including the RiverWalk cafe. This provides Internet and telephony for several Park buildings in downtown. So, if the City tears it down, there will be unknown penalties from all cell carriers, cel coverage in the area will suffer until another tower is built AND the Park District would lose internet and telephone for their buildings. Shocking to learn how much had been added to the tower that was, basically, undocumented.  
+18 votes
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This is cellular switching equip in the tower. These are like the boxes you see around town on the ground.  
+21 votes
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I would be asking why with all the big houses in NAPERVILLE they can seem to pay enough money to have their streets cleaned properly every time there is snow or ice. The most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen in my life. Comical if you ask me. I’m originally from LI NY never had this problem. and I grew up in a “Naperville” like area. . What is it that is being done with THAT MONEY?  
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I lived in Naperville for 3 years and never had an issue with the roads. They always kept up with it. It’s already been mentioned that the city of Naperville isn’t responsible for all roads within the city limits, as some areas are unincorporated. That aside, even with plows, sometimes the snow comes down too quickly to keep up with it perfectly. Side note - I miss Naperville. I just moved a few months back.  
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@malvina *your
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@incommensurate every single comment you’ve made on here including this one you made to me shows that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about if you did it wouldn’t have to be explained to you. You reek of false entitlement now go back to the department store and ask to talk to the manager so you can tell them that you’re from New York because No one here cares, it’s a shit hole.  
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That sounded pretty mean.  
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@incommensurate the money goes to a wonderful downtown area, great fire and police staff, overtime to those hard working people that plow my streets in the middle of the night so I can get to work. Then they get to sleep.  
+23 votes
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How about sensors on every light? I am tired of sitting at a light with ZERO cross traffic. The lowest income cities have them.  
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@echovirus84758 I hate a few lights here like U. S. 34 traffic has to stop for 1 car on side streets like Feldot. No matter what direction you go on Naperville Rd and Hobson, its a yellow about to turn red You’ll never make it though all of the lights by the DMV on 75th
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@replete I feel this My ride to work is down ogden. Should be 8 min ride. Takes 15 to 20 because EVERY light turns red as you approach for no reason. My 1st turn out by the fire station of all places, i sit for 4 min waiting for a green because again. No sensor. I just sit. With zero cross traffic
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@echovirus84758 it’s like the lights see you coming and turn red. With no traffic on road and starting from a green light and going speed limit, you shouldn’t have to stop every block.  
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@replete Way too accurate
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Meanwhile everyone pays 10s of thousands in taxes on their homes.  
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No Cop, No Stop!  
by (920 points)
@echovirus84758 is this the Complaint Department today?  
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@fasano9299 You mean yesterday? I'm into trolling Naperville people now. Did you have anything of value to add besides an epic beard?  
by (920 points)
@echovirus84758 lol. Thanks! No nothing constructive to add, thanks for taking the time to ask. Wait, . ComEd comes into my back yard to trim trees near the power lines. Damn them! Whoa. that does feel better!  
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@fasano9299 Those assholes  
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@fasano9299 if you would have mentioned them mowing the lawn at 600 a. m. on Sunday I would have bought you a beer
+24 votes
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There ya go. Verizon and AT&T should pay for the renovations. They got plenty of $$$ to go around!  
+20 votes
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*grabs popcorn*
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Maybe Naperville can get a package deal, take down the bell tower AND Ogden Mall.  
by (770 points)
@horripilate71743 well you’re a ray of sunshine! Lol!  
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@casilde Thank you
+20 votes
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I have never liked the architecture of the carillon and the project lacked financial discipline, as a result, it fell on the taxpayers. yet another reason for me not to like it. BUT, there is no debate that it is now an iconic structure in Naperville and, in my view at least, worth investing in. I will be supporting it. Going forward the model should be like the Jaycee's Park, where the money was raised before the park began and the park came in on time and under budget. all paid for with private money. IMHO
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@mikamikado I agree with the architecture. never a fan!  
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@mikamikado The City should be made to be transparent around which entity is getting paid by the cellular companies and how much. Throwing more money at that awful eyesore is a waste. Make the cell companies support it!  
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@kentigerma9 the park district manages the tower and the cell contracts.  
by (270 points)
@mikamikado okay that’s good to know. What revenue do those cell contracts bring into our park district?  
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@mikamikado as the Mayor can you request this information and provide it to the public or not?  
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@kentigerma9 I'm not sure what revenues are, but I along with everyone else can request the information. I don't think there is any effort to hide it and I'm not sure why one would want to. I'm sure the revenues are listed in their budget.  
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@mikamikado agreed
+8 votes
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I don't understand why something that has been around for a while must continue to do so just because of longevity. IMHO, making good decisions is a better indicator of what Naperville should be like rather than automatically trying to save everything from the past. The carillon is an example of that. If there were little or no cost to saving it, that would be fine, but basically it's an expensive monument to poor planning and elitist, "feel good" actions.  
+27 votes
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I’ve have never liked the tower. Waste of money to me.  
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