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Ok so here is something interesting that happened today. Me walking into the office, and I was told a freelancer will come in and cleanup code to make website faster. Freelance came in, first question why wordpress? Freelancer also said love to drupal . I replied and said, well nothing beats wordpress except getting hacked. Freelance argued, wordpress is not fast, I replied except you haven't applied the right methods to optimise speed. Freelance then went to google started reading about caching plugin etc, freelance said he hates wordpress , then I understand he is not even a real dev. Now the big part, I started toying around with him, he needs to output a header content onto of the menu, after inspecting the header he added functions, well lo and behold, it dosent work. I almost tell him love back to drupal. Finally I told my folks at work, hire who you can or what you wanna do but nothing beats 9years of solid wordpress experience + 3years elementor user.  

Answer 1

I use Wordpress for most projects as my first choice, but Drupal is good, too. It's a lot more flexible for complex projects.  

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@traitorous1680 I agree with this but I do think it comes down to preference.  

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In what way is it more flexible for complex projects? I've built some pretty complex stuff in WordPress. I'm pretty sure anything can be built upon WP with ease.  

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@motion this is true, complex to super complex can be done with wp. Wp wins hands down.  

Answer 2

He is a developer. Most developers hate Wordpress. Marketers are over dependent on it. I can't tell you the number of people I have seen given up on ideas because they can't be done with a WP plugin. You can fight with elementor. I can add anything I want in a design with html and no problems with googlebot reading content.  

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@anyway well in my case i dont think there is nothing i cant do on wp. Keep in mind elementor can output raw html too.  

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Yeah but I don't have to think - since HTMl is the "language" of the web I know I can and easily. Wp is fine when you have a basic content site. Don't get me wrong - more power to you. Just explaining the developer's point of view Its horrible when you want something truly new to differentiate yourself. The reason developers hate it is because they have to look and deal with the code that you never see.  

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@colonial can Elementor create custom post types that connects to a custom database table with custom roles and capabilities? Didn't think so.  

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@throes414 wp can do this certainly

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@colonial yeah. I know. that wasn't the point of my comment.  

Answer 3

Real developers don't use Wordpress

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@deathly that was an artist who was sick of traffic in front of his appartment. Might be money to be made, but getting money doesn’t make you smart. 75 IQ guys can rob a bank and get more if that’s what you measure «smart» on. However you said «amazing» first: Working on grunt assignments (do this thing you already did 250 times) is entry-level junior dev stuff. Are they smart? Some are. But they will move on. No self-respecting dev worth their salt would be ok with that kind of repetitive work even if they earn a great living from it. They know they sit on php which is limited, working on a platform that adds even more limits. It’s frustrating and easy at the same time, so while demand exists, yeah sure some might be motivated by that and also the money. Some ppl are happy to sit at the tiller too. But to say amazing? Nah. Php and WP limits out «amazing» from the get-go.  

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@impression wtf are you talking about? I literally said - @levity25221 yeah, and 100% wrong. Funny. The quote should be: Real developer make a great living off Wordpress. You are the one that started with the insult that is obviously wrong. The fact that hundreds of thousands of devs work on WP is proof that you are incorrect.  

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@deathly sorry it was the other guy that said amazing  Didn’t throw any insults. PHP is commonly referred to as newbie-coding amongst even experienced PHP-devs.  

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Never disputed that. PHP is easy to learn, especially if you have experience with other languages. The point is that there are plenty of very experienced devs that work with WP because it's popular and profitable. Most people would consider my company successful and we're not even a 1/10 the size of the bigger WP shops. We didn't pick WP because it's hard or because it can do really rare functions that none needs, we picked it because profit.  

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I guess I am the only Joomla fan here. By the way I am not a real developer.  

Answer 4

I always felt like Drupal had more vulnerabilities compared to WordPress and was harder to push updates with. I noticed how many Core vulnerabilities there were in just the last couple months

Answer 5

He's right. you used your limited experience and ego to tell you that he's wrong. Elementor and wordpress is dragging and dropping not developing. it was made to simplify the process for marketers. Don't get it twisted

Answer 6

I'm building a 7000-page woocommerce site and I can't code - I've tested it with 98 plugins at 2. 8 sec load time on siteground I got it a tad faster on cloudways with stackpath and their varnish cache plugin but they only have one uplink in the middle of the Mediterranean and I won't use a host with a single uplink (part of my vetting process) If anyone be they a developer or designer simply looks at a site and says its slow - they are a baffoon. You can't have a fast site on a $3. 99/mo shared server. I used to be dedicated server aficionado but scaling with cloud servers is slicker than snot I've come to find BTW Real developers (I am not one) are mercenaries and can work on what's in front of them. You also can't talk about "WordPress" or "Drupal" and security in a vacuum. Simply not updating plugins makes any site insecure If you have multiple sites on a server you are open to cross-contamination. Wordfence pro is well worth $100/yr So is $200/yr spent with Sucurri or Magefix for building custom firewalls and rules based on your site and server - It ain't the platform - it's the peripherals

Answer 7

Aside from him being biased, sounds to me like you need to better qualify your freelancers. Most freelancers/devs/engineers niche down to 1-3 languages or products and charge a boatload.  

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@throes414 well said, honestly the freelancer knows nothing. I gave my word of advice to them I'll seat and let the freelance run the show, afterall I would like to lear from the freelancer too  

Answer 8

Security wise drupal8 better than WP

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@halfbound254 I disagree with this I must say, there are better ways to secure wp, in all my years, not even a single hack have occured.  

Answer 9

The developer is correct. Drupal is superior to Wordpress out of the box. Wordpress can be modified and improved to handle larger loads (Pageviews). Drupal has a massive learning curve though and there are not many experts.  

Answer 10

Your both wrong, and in this case two wrongs don't make a right. Drupal and Wordpress are both flawed, just in different ways, its like arguing over cheap ice cream.  

Answer 11

Mostly website build in WordPres. Developer recommend drupal because of budget no hard reason.  

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@groyne budget wise I could agree otherwise there is no point going with a platform that scalability is an issue.  

Answer 12

I've worked with wordpress a very very long time. I've created custom plugins, I've done a lot of things that people have told me isn't possible. A real dev knows the power of wordpress, along with flexibility and ease of use for the customer (business owner) to update things. I've used other software but keep coming back to WP because it's so much better and if people dont agree, remember more that 26% of the internet is powered by WP including some very large websites

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@summerwood32 you can that again, I have moved round many platform but wp us still my number 1 from small scale to Enterprise oh and yes I secure all my wp sites and in 10years I never get hacked.  

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I am interested if you spent quite some time with some php framework - Symfony, Laravel. How would WP feel for someone accustomed to MVC frameworks and their CMSes.  

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Because I am coming from Laravel world and still haven't found a solution for an usable ecommerce solution. CMSes are plenty in Laravel. But ecommerce is what troubles me. And Woocommerce is still coming back to my mind. I am crying a little, but slowly trying to learn WP. And I realise that the cry is unnecessary from many developers. Not that WP is so bad, but we are slaves of customs and MVC pattern and framework is hard to leave.  

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@carnallite583 I could agree with you, moving to wp is a different curve on it's own, once you taste its goodness and greatness you'll be amazed.  

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I am not tasting it and I probably won't. But I still can honor the business value of working with WP, Woocommerce. What you are comparing the WP with, Viktor? What other CMSes have you tasted, please?  

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How can I taste greatness of WP if my learning curve started by realising how hard is to build custom html menus - I have to use Walkers. Even the fresh theme has many default WP css/js styles. I have to remove them. I want blank html sprinkled with custom fields defined easily in admin. I want better DB structure, not everything stuffed, hijacked into the Post table that WP started with many years ago as a simple blogging platform. And the Woocommerce is one big mishmash of DB structure, because WP was famous, so "let's build an ecommerce on top of it, yeah". But they had to keep to the old blog DB structure. What greatness is there in this. But as I said. I haven't found other easy option on the market, so I am trying to deep dive into Woocommerce.