Question

My house is old and doesn’t have neutral drops in all the switch boxes. I have a double switch in a single box at my front door that controls porch lights on one switch and entry lights on the other. I’d like to replace these with a relay since there isn’t room for 2 switches. Do any of you know of a relay that will work without neutral?  

Answer 1

Inovelli red switch will work with no ground and as a 3way switch controlled in smartthings

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@bitolj Does the red switch work with LEDs? Thanks!  

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@gennie32 mine does

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@gennie32 yes it does. smart bulbs too. worth zwave association, you can dim our Ilumin bulbs from the switch.  

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@bitolj cool, I ordered one earlier today. Thanks!  

Answer 2

I'm in the US if it matters

Answer 3

You can find some neutral-less controllers out there but. they won't work with LEDs. YMMV

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Looks like the Aeotec dimmer will work with LED and no neutral. Is that right? $55 is. Little steep but if it works I guess it's not bad

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@beefcake If you hunt around there's some neutraless Dimmers, Switches and i think even 3-way remotes. GE and or Jasco.  

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And. you can shadow/mirror switches as a pretty slick workaround

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And. you can always replace a 1 gang with a 2 gang as long as there's room between studs

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@beefcake PM sent on an option for you

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Thanks Steve. Unfortunately there is no room to do anything different with the switch, it's on a narrow post between the door and a window. Bad design but cant change that

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@gunn2 What's shadow/mirror switches mean? I'm not familiar with that, not by that name anyway. Thx.  

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You can have one switch do what another switch does, even though they're not wired/interfaced

Answer 4

Aeotec Nano Dimmer (not Switch) will work without Neutral

Answer 5

Use the ground for a neutral.  

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Todd, ya, that will work :-)