Question

Who’s using LeadCloak?  Y’all f*cked.Who’s using LeadCloak? Y’all f*cked.  

Answer 1

The moral of the story: learn to run legitimate Facebook ads. It’s *really* not that hard.  

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The people I know making the most money on ads are shady and use tools like this. They know they'll eventually get banned and that's baked in. With that said I have an 8 digit Facebook ad account ID and I do shit legit. Only been banned (and reinstated) twice.  

Answer 2

What did I miss?  

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@iago I’ve heard that Facebook is on the hunt for all cloakers. Watch this space.  

Answer 3

You running Bh now?  

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@runkel not me, Angus. I’m 100% whitehat

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@goebel same here

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@runkel BH you mean black hat?  

Answer 4

I don't know if what LC does is actually ilegal. It's against Facebook TOS, sure, but FB TOS aren't laws right? At most, it's Facebook problem that they can't decipher the cloaking system. Can anyone enlighten me?  

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@bemire I think fb got fine somehow or those ads hurt user experience. hard to calculate the actual lost

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@bemire Facebook is the $500bn gorilla you don’t mess with. Plus, they’ve filed a lawsuit against LC too.  

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@goebel I know, that's why I'm asking. Gorilla or not, there has to be legal ground for a lawsuit. Even if UX was damaged, what laws does it actually breach? I'm really curious. Or in the US, as long as you are a "gorilla", you can start filing lawsuits left and right?  

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@bemire they’ll win it. I know of a similar lawsuit that Facebook won.  

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@bemire LC violated the ToS of Facebook which led to an alleged depreciation of user experience. That means Facebook can sue for damages due to losses in brand perception. For example, imagine you own a building with multiple electronic billboards inside the building. Someone bypasses the security and pastes pornographic material all over the e-billboards. You apprehend the hacker and you sue him for damages in reputation. Same concept different medium.  

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@efrem340 LC didn't violate the TOS of facebook, that's what I see wrong. The AD creator did. LC just provided a tool. Taking your example, supposing the hacker is using Linux, are you filing a lawsuit against Linux Foundation?  

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@efrem340 where is the billboards of porn? Asking for a friend.  

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@bemire LC provided the specific tools. Without that specific tool, the ad creators won’t be able to do what they did. 1. If Linux was a DEDICATED software to circumvent the system, then yes the lawsuit would stand. - For example, designing a knife isn’t illegal, but designing a knife that will specifically kill a human being in a single thrust is (there are such “war crime” labeled knives out there). 2. The ad creators will get what’s coming to them soon.  

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@efrem340 got it! Thanks for the inputs! :-)

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Eric Ortego If you breach a contract or TOS and this results in the other party suffering some form of damage/loss/harm, then you can be sued in most civilised countries in the world (Google 'contract law')

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@efrem340 you file for bankruptcy and restart.  

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Why is it so hard for marketers to accept they aren't lawyers? ‍♂️

Answer 5

The moral of the story: don’t be a dick.  

Answer 6

Another will pop up to replace it immediately. I never understood how it takes FB so long to track down those cloaking programs. Especially when some of them have Facebook groups! LOL

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@trilemma because FB is making too much money to pay attention

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@geniculate true they make a ton off those blackhats too.  

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@trilemma I used to work in credit card processing and we would blatantly violate TOS all the time. They wouldn't ban us because we ran so much money through the processors, they wanted our business. Our motto was TOS aren't laws, and we can pay the fines. Back in the old cowboy internet days. I think Facebook has too much government scrutiny now and has to crack down to protect their golden egg.  

Answer 7

So what happens if you are found using this? Do you just lose LC ability or can your ads/acct be shut down?  

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@baud6 busted!  

Answer 8

I really dont understand why would people run bh nowadays. It is so much trouble and risk that I'd rather put all the energy and focus on working on white hat products.  

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@assignor there's too much money to be made. I've seen these operations. They makes 100k+ in a day and getting banned is baked in to their business model.  

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Usually all they're doing is selling products which are against TOS, but normally they're way better at their jobs than white hats and could transition. But they enjoy the battle.  

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@assignor being whitehat doesnt mean you wont get your account banned as well, unfortunately so it doesnt matter really.  

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@braggart Hm, I don't know if they are better. But if they make 100k a day then OK, they got the point

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@sitting49 Kolesnikov yeah I know what you mean bro. But with bh you get banned like every other day.  

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@assignor true

Answer 9

Faking money or being found with fake money is the same crime. Founders and users are in the same sh**t