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Sometimes, the messenger gets in the way of the message. The re-opening plan designed by White House experts appears to be a reasonable plan.  I urge you to read and understand the plan and base your opinions and actions accordingly.  What I see so far in just 1 day is political rhetoric and protests that are jumping way, way, ahead of the plan. Please take the time to read the plan and follow the plan. Do this before you form opinions and/or take action.  This plan is endorsed and presented by the man who is currently in Office of The President.  I hope his words and actions follow this plan also.  One other thing,  if you have alternative plan ideas, please share what your reopening plan would look like? Remember that a vaccine for this is not likely for years. Show what your plan results in 2-3 years from now. Take all aspects into account, health and economics and sanity. htiml link to plan:  Link to the pdf of the plan.   
https://whitehouse.gov/openingameri...l4C5I
Sometimes, the messenger gets in the way of the message.

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+11 votes
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Endorsed by someone who called it a HOAX just like the FLU. It'll be under control in a week. with zero infections. this guy wouldn't know a good plan if it fell out of the sky and landed on his little orange lap.  
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@biographical if only he could support what his administration is recommending!  
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This guy.  
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@attire6675 he’s advocating to follow the president’s formal advice. You don’t agree?  
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@veach . I don’t believe a thing trump says.  
+33 votes
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I wonder how many of the folks commenting can get past their hate and actually read the plan before commenting.  
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@guadalupeguadeloupe not many unfortunately ✌
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@guadalupeguadeloupe very few .  
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@guadalupeguadeloupe good luck with this. Reading and getting understanding before freaking out putting on your guns that they are trying to take away to protest or running to the beach is a thing of the past!  
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@guadalupeguadeloupe zero, everyone has hatred and has to blame someone for the problems in their lives instead of taking ownership to be part of the solution instead of another problem.  
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@guadalupeguadeloupe the hate is out of control and just not necessary at this point.  
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Civil liberties are still important. That said, I do not agree with protests done in a reckless way.  
+22 votes
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It's a hard plan to follow, so average Joe won't take the time to read it. Let's just get to the beach.  
+47 votes
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It is a sound plan. The LIBERATE tweets totally undermine it, though. It's a shame.  
+43 votes
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The governors of each state are more likely to have the appropriate plans as they know their states pandemic issues
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@storer @undertint375 I think Pritzker and the Midwest govenors could follow this plan. Though they will be pressured to implement on a countywide vs. a statewide basis.  
+31 votes
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His words and actions have no merit because he has burned any chance of that sadly. I’ll listen to our governor for our state plan.  
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@mackinaw2 I agree! I’m listening to Pritzker! All Trump has done in the last 24 hours is try to incite riots with his politically motivated posts on Twitter!  
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@mackinaw2 agreed!  
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I too will listen to our Governor. The plan presented aligns with how he has been acting. Look past the dislike of our President and read the plan.  
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@guadalupeguadeloupe I have no faith in our president for acting in the best interests of all citizens.  
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Narcissist yep. But we at least see an initial plan that I think our local governments might be able to follow.  
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Look beyond the orange and gave faith in God and the government structures He has put in place.  
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@mackinaw2 I agree. I can’t listen to that babbling fool Trump. I listen to Pritzer everyday.  
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I dont trust Prickster as far as I can throw him-and based on his size-that isnt too far. He will fold to whoever is throwing money his way-just like the rest of our government officials. They are ALL corrupt and will follow the money
+13 votes
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You are all asleep. Wake Up
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@bedspring you must be superior to the rest of us, eh?  
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@candi Not at all Sir, Eyes are not on the bigger picture. Our Freedoms and Liberties are being tested, For our children and future generations we need to wake up and address it and stop blaming politicians it's way beyond them. Didn't mean to offend you just give you a nudge. Do the research yourself
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@bedspring oh brother
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@bedspring “Our freedoms and liberties are being tested. ” What? We are in the middle of a PANDEMIC!  
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@bedspring FYI, most reasonable people, as soon as they hear someone’s controversial opinion accompanied by the words “wake up”, “sheep”, “sheeple”, “global agenda”, or “shadow”, are going to completely ignore what you say, likely with sufficient reason.  
+21 votes
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I am only encouraging you to read the plan. How presidents or governors choose to use it or ignore it is beyond my control.  
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@guadalupeguadeloupe everything is beyond your control
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I had no idea. now my life is ruined. lol
+46 votes
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So now that this has raised some ire. I'll assume soon that our moderator will just delete the thread and folks won't get the benefit of the encouragement to read the plan.  
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@guadalupeguadeloupe I’d like to think that people will get information outside of a Facebook post. Doesn’t bother me that you posted, but if you are worried that people will miss the information if taken down, than perhaps the bigger issue is people getting important information solely from Facebook?  
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It's sort of wierd, but I get much information from friends and interest groups on Facebook. At least as good Information, and often better than the normal media.?  
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Either way, I'm also repeating this thread on my personal page for the benefit of my FB friends.  
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Come on
+56 votes
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It’s a sensible plan for the most part. He just lacked the presentation skills preempting it with his “power trip” speech earlier in the week. This wasn’t a misinterpretation by the media. His daily press conferences and the messages he conveys depict exactly who he is as a president.  
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Your cognitive bias and being trapped in a echo chamber generated reality bubble will not serve you well during this. When did you learn? Such a good "guess", Nostradamus is throwing away his scrying mirror. Posted Jan 30th. This is an engineering problem.  
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbi...46195
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Vivek Jena, you doubt the FB post date in my link?  
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You just proved my point. Thank you. Stay safe.  
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@trocki what’re u a cyborg? Talk normal bro lol
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Looks like a gas mask to me bro.  
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You will find I have been tracking this for quite awhile.  
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When did it get on your radar?  
+1 vote
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I don't have to listen to anything that sentient yam utters.  
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@behlau very cool then please stay home so the rest of us can move forward without the uninformed creating risks for us.  
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You get that the Yam is Trump. And I believe keeping our current precautions. And not rushing this process.  
+48 votes
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I wonder what the timeline would be for Illinois.  
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@undertint375 I think Pritzker and the Midwest govenors could follow this plan. Though they will be pressured to implement on a countywide vs. a statewide basis.  
+56 votes
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Why did you say "the plan is endorsed by our President"? Are you naive enough to think that's considered "good" by everyone? If your goal is really about public safety and not politics, don't emphasize which polarized faction or party "endorses" it. OMG
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@stadtholder2930 “get us all killed” there are zero scenarios in which this virus gets us all killed, or even a tenth of us killed, even if we’d taken NO mitigation measures and spent the next 6 months running around licking each others’ noses. If you have that amount of fear of an obviously false scenario, it’s no wonder you’re reacting the way you are to a simple discussion.  
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@almond okay trumper
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@stadtholder2930 you were the first to attack on that statement assuming he supports Trump. I do not support Trump and I have kind of the same viewpoint that less than the amount of people that live in Naperville have passed in the entire United States. But let's lock down. I am abiding by the rules only because there is no vaccine. I still go to work everyday to help keep the medical industry going. So please stop attacking people when their opinion doesn't match yours. Makes you just as bad as Trump. Not listening to what others are saying. Have a nice positive, and wonderful day. Stay off Facebook it is full of negativity if that's what you read. I block all that crap and my feed is full of positivity. I love when people come together, without physically getting together, to help others in need. Maybe dedicate your energy to finding out how you can distance help someone. Lots of times people just need someone to talk to.  
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@stadtholder2930 a grown adult who can only call names when encouraged to do better. but it’s a virus that’s going to undo our society. Ok.  
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@almond I would like to know where you have come up with any of those numbers. Other than what we know from some of the countries like South Korea, Ireland, and New Zealand who seemed to have handled mitigation correctly. The US has not and we’ve barely tested 1% of the population. Not to mention that many states leaders are not being truthful with who has actually died of this virus. There is some thought this shit has been here since November. So how will we ever know the true statistics. Not to mention the deaths in nursing homes that will never get truthfully reported. Without testing it’s all just pretend, made-up bullshit. The only name I’ve called anyone is “trumper”. I actually prefer to use “MAGAt”. I don’t make any rules for anybody other than myself. I can’t tell somebody to risk their life and go to work or stay home. Those are personal decisions. I do what I can to help those that I can. This is an every man for himself but I hope every man thinks of the consequences of his actions in regards to others kinda thing. We are in uncharted territory here. And with such an ideologically divided nation I really don’t see any light at the end for a very long time. Bless your heart and have a nice day.  
+43 votes
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Never EVER trust anything uttered by the tRUMP! After his endorsement of the idiots trying to sabotage the governors of Michigan, Minnesota, and Virginia! How can anyone even mention "endorsed and presented by the tRUMP! "
+10 votes
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How’s about we let him open alla his “properties” and after, let’s say, 14-30 days we see how that worked out. I’m staying home.  
+35 votes
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I cannot disagree with your analysis of how our fearless leader communicated, it's a travesty. But the plan is a good plan. We need to know what the process for reopening looks like. However as usual, politics and hatred and fear tend to blind even the best people.  
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@guadalupeguadeloupe it will just come down to employers staging employees for re-opening based upon the criteria we heard about that were created by the health experts at the top. If someone won't return to work that's up to them. I'm sure employers can readily find replacements who are ready to work. I follow the CDC, science and medicine experts creating the plan, and what our governor releases (not political hysterics). Stay home if you are not ready to work.  
+6 votes
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Nope, how many times does Lucy have to pull away the football, Charlie Brown?  
+19 votes
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What's the other option? Stay at home for the rest of your life? Wait around for a vaccine no one is going to trust? No thanks.  
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Here is the analysis I was looking for. Thank you David Harms. Thanks Bob! In Illinois we haven't met the gating criteria yet to get to phase 1. Have not had 1 day yet of the 14 day downward trend. Also, state has not met testing criteria nor the case tracking criteria. So, theoretically we could start phase 1 in 14 days. Probably will take quite a bit longer. I don't see how any state in the country is meeting the testing and tracking criteria now. A++
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@trocki the reason there is a lockdown is to help the healthcare workers who are trying to do their jobs , overwhelming the system will only lead to disaster . If people are willing to open up, go out , and do their thing because they feel they’re losing their liberties , by all means do it but they need to forego their use of healthcare if they start showing symptoms of the virus . Last week 3 out of 4 heart attacks in NY were left not treated because of the strain on the emergency rooms. Add to that the number of nurses and doctors who are becoming sick because they don’t have adequate protection. IN NEW YORK THEY ARE FAST TRACKING MEDICAL STUDENTS. Your every day emergencies are getting close to not being able to be treated. Think of that when you see the next car accident. Maybe you need to see what is actually going on in the ERs across the area before you make up your mind. It’s not just the economy.  
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The reason for the lock down to is control the R0 (growth rate) of the virus which, in turn, helps the health care system. We have capacity and must be mindful of it. Open up in a safe manner.  
https://dph.illinois.gov/covid19/ho...ation
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Those at high risk will need to continue to take precautions indefinitely at this time. Are they going to trust a vaccine that was rushed through? I'm not. The good news is we are learning to treat cases better, our toolbox has more therapeutics, and the attention of the brightest minds in the world are focused on it.  
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Are we going to have additional outbreaks as we open up? Yes and they will be managed. You can not get the risk to zero and minimize exposure forever.  
+29 votes
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What we need is a plan endorsed and managed by someone that we trust. People aren't going to critically evaluate and weigh all the nuances and complicated issues. They need to trust that the person making the decisions has empathy and has their best interests in mind.  
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Yvonne, my point is simply that people want to believe they can trust whomever is in charge to make the right plans and decisions. I'm not saying that Trump should be trusted or "not trusted". That could be a local leader or the CDC or a governor or the president or ?. Emphasizing an endorsement by the president colors the entire idea and causes people to focus on emotions around distrust of the president rather than the idea itself.  
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@squeak69 ok why are you attacking me now about the president? The information the original poster said was from the white house. It came from the federal govt. Why does it have to be said "politically correct" for people to not get into a tizzy? I'm going to volunteer my time to help others in need today. What is everyone else doing besides complaining on FB to not one person who is going to do anything about it. Have a fun day complaining on Facebook!  
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@chorography Hudson so then how are people supposed to bring things up and reference the source without offending people? You can't its impossible! This world is such a melting pot there are so many opinions and people and that's what makes it interesting. Have a great day! I know I will!  
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@sib we are staying home and that’s the key to helping. Politically correct? Seriously you see no problem with prejudice, bullying behavior, pay gender and racial inequities. We have evolved as a society to recognize the needs of our fellow humans and that includes treating people respectfully.  
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@squeak69 I hate all negativity against life on this planet. I agree with your last statement fully! People need to stop attacking people and start understanding them and being respectful. We would prevail much faster as a planet.  
+20 votes
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Will any opinions expressed on Facebook change anything?  
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@tremann no
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Why do we use social media then? Serious question. It seems most of it has devolved into entertainment purposes, sharing some things with those close to us, and ranting. I fully support people getting out of these digital ghettos.  
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@trocki I think people use it for different reasons and to different extents. When people use it to abuse others for believing one thing or another, it’s a problem. Just looking at this post, it’s starting to become very obvious that shelter in place is giving people way too much time on social media and it’s not yielding pretty results.  
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@trocki even if bullying someone was an effective way of getting them to agree with you, what would that change? Are Pritzker or Trump going to do something differently because of a what’s happening in Naperville page? No. It’s just people blowing off steam but rudely.  
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@tremann We are and have been living in a world impacted by the negative effects of social media in on society. Bullying can be a pretty wide definition. Can you classify that a bit. I have seen examples of people taking someone disagreeing with their opinion as bullying and I have seen cyber threats. It's an interesting topic on it's own and probably not suited for "this post"
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Mental health is certainly impacted. How many examples of cognitive distortions do you see on a daily basis? All or nothing (binary) thinking is very common.  
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@tremann Will any opinions shared on Twitter change anything? might depend on the source and how many people pile on.  
+11 votes
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@guadalupeguadeloupe I did read the plan with an open mind. It is an interesting starting point for discussion but it’s vague and basic talking point style definitely did not inspire confidence. There is absolutely no specific criteria that guides anyone as to how we progress from each stage to the next. There is no information regarding what happens if the nation experienced a resurgence at any point in the process. And perhaps most concerning is that this plan only works if we have enough tests to diagnose illness and antibodies in everyone; we don’t. And we need an effective medication to treat people that we have to home some confidence in, that is actually effective; we don’t yet. Trust me I don’t want to continue on like this anymore than anyone else does. I certainly don’t have the answers, but the flaws in this plan are glaring.  
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@naquin4075 O'Connor well put. Exactly. The plan needs some flushing out. But if I look at it as a basic requirement for in unsheltering, I don't think we are near there yet in many places.  
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Thank you for reading the plan and providing helpful comments.  
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@guadalupeguadeloupe you are welcome. Thank you for starting the conversation. I hope as a community we can continue to stay strong and keep talking respectfully. This is affecting all of us in different ways but it’s affecting us all. Not a fan of the current administration ( and I mean at both the federal and our state level) but I’m all for anyone who can lead us all out of this with as little damage as possible. Now isn’t the time to turn on each other.  
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@naquin4075 O'Connor I really think the idea is to have the states manage growth rates using non-pharmaceutical methods such as the "lock downs" we are doing now. I think that control should be in the states hands. Not the Feds. If you haven't been following Governor Cuomo's press conferences, they are good. It shows the difference of an experienced leaders. He went from partisan bickering to ok, we need to deal with this. I wasn't a Cuomo fan before, but am now.  
+20 votes
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I don't care what Trump's puppet doctors say, I ain't going out.  
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@westerfield85 same.  
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Fauci and Brix aren't Trumps puppet doctors. They are career government.  
by (710 points)
@westerfield85 they’ve been in the federal government since before Trump was Apprentice-famous. If you think they are puppets, I think you’ve bought a story, not facts.  
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@westerfield85 and I assume you’re retired and in a vulnerable population. you shouldn’t be out and about for a long time. That’s correct and appropriate. No plan anywhere is trying to get senior citizens back out in society by June.  
+5 votes
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I’m starting to regret my decision to never watch ‘The Walking Dead’. What with alla this time might revisit the series.  
+7 votes
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The plan is reasonable. Implementation on the timeline he wants is unreasonable. We are not in a place to reopen yet. People are still sick. We dont know how many more will manifest severe illness. In the state of IL opening without considering those who live in IN and WI and work in Chicago is reckless. Lives matter more. Signed, your friendly neighborhood MD working on a COVID unit.  
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@detwiler549, Thank you for your excellent comments.  
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@detwiler549 eventually the lives lost from COVID directly will be surpassed by the lives lost indirectly through job loss, homelessness, starvation/malnutrition, lack of support, depression, suicide, and others. no plan is about “money is more important than people”. What they’re trying to do is make sure we don’t kill and extra half million people trying to save 100, 000 with COVID. It’s gross, but it’s real.  
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@almond and the govt has the responsibility to the people and not corporations. PPP ran out of money in ONE WEEK. Foresight and planning go a long way.  
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@detwiler549 I don’t disagree, but the constant sniping on both sides isn’t going to get us all working together. And the government has a responsibility to BOTH citizens and corporations. Protecting and facilitating commerce is one of the few actual things government is supposed to do. It won’t have mattered if we keep people afloat with money until the fall if all the companies they worked at are gone by then.  
+24 votes
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Transparency, not a fan of how this administration mismanaged this pandemic from before it even started. That being said, the plan has some merit BUT also has major holes which put us at risk again jeopardizing the progress made and threatening a resurgence similar to Spanish flu. Those small openings also tend to be abused by too many. That is the sad reality. The governors grasp the reality of what each of their states are capable of following to remain safe for all. My vote is with the governors at this time as this administration has continually proven a disconnect with the reality of the people. That is my opinion.  
+33 votes
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Here is the analysis I was looking for. Thank you David Harms. Thanks Bob! In Illinois we haven't met the gating criteria yet to get to phase 1. Have not had 1 day yet of the 14 day downward trend. Also, state has not met testing criteria nor the case tracking criteria. So, theoretically we could start phase 1 in 14 days. Probably will take quite a bit longer. I don't see how any state in the country is meeting the testing and tracking criteria now. A++
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”It’s the tests, stupid”. God bless anyone old enough to get that reference.  
+3 votes
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Understand this is your opinion. By implication those who don’t agree with you are unreasonable. Many of us can’t ever trust the thief in office. His constant lies and reversals make him and most who work for him not credible. Reopening will cost lives, mostly older folks like me. I felt invisible and irrelevant as a Senior before this. Now I realize how deadly the prejudice is. Thankspical of corporations, profit over people
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@squeak69 what would it take for you to feel safe to reopen?  
by (900 points)
You will have to take the proper precautions. My mother is in the same boat. I sent her toilet paper and masks this week. I am starting to sent her groceries and we need people to do that. My mother and I chose not to get together toward the end of March due to what was going on. I do not know when I will see her again.  
by (900 points)
We will have to determine on our own with the data we have what precautions to take to keep us both safe. Per JB, I am allowed to travel to attend to her. We have not used that option and found ways to get things done.  
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Plentiful PPE and hand sanitizer. Accurate and plentiful testing for antibodies and the virus. A plan to reinforce each phase as there will be those who don’t care. Assurances of adequate hospital staff, beds, vents and medications. A vaccine that works. Treatment modalities with proven effectiveness A way to determine who is carrying the virus while asymptomatic. I have not left my home since the beginning of March except twice for emergency surgery for my dog. My daughters wedding postponed, took a huge pay cut, two kids out of work. It’s costly to get groceries delivered I don’t like this. No one likes this, but I don’t want to die.  
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Thanks. I like your response. I think alot of what you say is in the plan. Im just not confident it will be followed.  
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@guadalupeguadeloupe it’s not in the plan because we don’t have most of these capabilities yet and proceeding without them will be a deadly mistake, not only for those who die but for our economic recovery as we will have start over. It’s upsetting, anxiety producing but we need a comprehensive plan or all we have done so far will be for nothing.  
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Agree. Here is the analysis I was looking for. Thank you David Harms. Thanks Bob! In Illinois we haven't met the gating criteria yet to get to phase 1. Have not had 1 day yet of the 14 day downward trend. Also, state has not met testing criteria nor the case tracking criteria. So, theoretically we could start phase 1 in 14 days. Probably will take quite a bit longer. I don't see how any state in the country is meeting the testing and tracking criteria now. A++
+30 votes
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I believe the governor will implement a plan when he is confident it will not result in a resurgence . The idea of Trump releasing this plan was premature and political. It is not up to each individual to implement at their convenience as you also are implying.  
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@fraise Did not mean to imply anything other than reading the plan before opining and judging.  
+24 votes
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Re opening? Do you even work? If not, it’s none of your business. Besides Pritzer won’t go along with that nonsense.  
by (380 points)
@naquin4075 anyone else also confused as to how your employment status apparently means you can’t share information or start a conversation? .  
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@disfigurement sorry I’m more worried about the people working who have to go out in this messed up world right now risking their lives. It’s easy for the ones who don’t work to give their opinion. They aren’t forced to do it. I have COPD and I’m taking this very seriously. Maybe @guadalupeguadeloupe works but their are people who don’t and are being very selfish about it. They don’t want to be bored. I’ve seen their comments. I have a coworker who I sit next to everyday and she just tested positive. My son has co workers who have tested positive too. Too close of a call for me.  
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Hear you Kelly. I do think the plan can safely address your concerns. If it is implemented properly. That's the big if.  
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@naquin4075 I don’t disagree with anything you just said. I just think it was misplaced comment. Robert’s post is not offensive and shouldn’t have been taken as such. I know everyone is especially on edge right now while we’re trying to protect ourselves and our families, but try to take a deep breath. I saw your post about your son needing a mask and the outpouring of support from neighbors. Let’s all support each other and not try be quick to accuse or make assumptions about one another. Ignore the people frustrated with being bored and focus on what you can control. We’ll get thru this.  
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Yes it was rude. I will admit. He won me over with the Trump comment. Yes I am totally stressed. This group has been absolutely wonderful. I had a couple of complete strangers help me out which has made me think “wow there are good people out there”. I was beginning to doubt it. Not many around me.  
+9 votes
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Do you like Fauci? He seems on target. This is his plan too. Many people worked through it. It is sound.  
http://Whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/
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@throughway22696 thank you. This fills in more details more reasonably.  
+41 votes
by (900 points)
Has JB put out a plan for re-opening yet? Honestly, not sure. Discussing that would probably be more useful. DuPage County health department?  
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@trocki he hasn’t discussed it. He did close the schools for the entire year yesterday.  
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I am sure they are working on it.  
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I'm sure his staff is working on it. He's not capable of coming up with anything on his own.  
by (900 points)
His inexperience is showing a little, but he has made some of the right calls with shutting us down early. Even with that, look at the problem we must work through. I think we will level off for awhile soon. The population density of Chicago is much less than on the east coast and we were lagging about 2 weeks since the beginning of all of this.  
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Good points.  
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@trocki I have no reason to believe JB won't follow the plan put for by the White House. They are our experts and the plan is pretty easy to understand.  
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@trocki I read 2022
+32 votes
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I think Trump has done amazing - taking fire in every direction, as usual, but these phases are reasonable and youd think it could be nonpartisan for people, but obvious there are those who refuse to do anything nonpartisan.  
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@mcqueen175 exactly. NOTHING will satisfy someone with TDS. It’s real up in here! LOL
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@binny  
+59 votes
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Still 611, 000 active cases with mitigation Even with it being way less deadly than they thought it is 4-5x deadlier than any bad seasonal flu instead of 40-50x
+43 votes
by (810 points)
The countries that have been most successful in some level or normalization have scaled expedient testing in place. We are headed towards 50 diff levels of testing and diff types of testing and 50 different sets of rules. Doesn’t feel like a real United States and I have never seen this level of fragmentation. Why have FEMA, CDC(that we all pay for)? Those are federal agencies and should be allowed to do what they do without politics and without “who is nicer to whom” playing a role. We deserve better. This will all pass at some point but how much suffering (economic and physical / mental ) we all endure in the process matters. Best way to prevent is isolation. Second best way is mass rapid testing determining who gets to go where.  
+19 votes
by (5.5k points)
“Augmented by the President’s Coronavirus Guidelines for America, issued on March 16, 2020, the US population is currently under significant social distancing restrictions, including stay-at-home orders or other similar measures in at least 45 states. 1, 2 These measures are absolutely necessary now to reduce community transmission, avoid overwhelming our hospitals, and ultimately save lives. While social distancing measures are working toward these ends, they cannot be sustained indefinitely at this scale. As COVID-19 incidence in states begins to decline, a new phase of pandemic management will be required to avoid resurgence of the virus while also allowing individuals to return to work. Civic and community engagement will also be needed at appropriately timed stages throughout mid- and late 2020. A national effort to scale up and expand local, state, and territorial case investigation and management is necessary before US communities can begin to return to “normal. ” If we can find nearly every case, and trace the contacts of each case, it will be possible, in time, to relax the bluntest approaches: the extreme social distancing measures, such as stay at home orders, and realize the commensurate social and economic benefits. ”
+54 votes
by (700 points)
Say what you mean and mean what you say, Mr. President ! And quit being so wishy-washy!  
+6 votes
by (1.1k points)
It! Is! Insanity! We've only tested less than 1% of our population in our country. Until we can test the remaining 323 million people this "plan" is a crapshoot. It's like you standing in front of 5 sets of doors and 4 of the 5 doors have a guy with a loaded gun and one door has money behind it. The guys with guns will shoot when the door is opened. Would you open the door? Why take the chance of dying? Insanity!  
by (670 points)
@lathery80 I prefer to not lose my house because you are afraid.  
by (1.6k points)
@canonicals54714 we are in danger of losing our houses NOT because of a stay at home order, but because there has not been a concurrent order that ALL mortgage/loan/credit account/least and installment payments be tacked onto the back end of each loan term, and that the term of each loan be extended by the number of months we are under the order plus 3-6 extra months to earn sufficient income to catch up. That would mean businesses wouldn’t owe rent, property managers wouldn’t owe mortgages, and everyone’s overhead could take a break. For starters. We shouldn’t have to fear a virus and have the solution that keeps us safe make us homeless. The solution has to preserve our homes—not by deferring our payments, but completely modifying the terms of all loans.  
by (1.1k points)
@ignorant72 and if we had a competent president and government they would do that. In fact, if we had a competent president we'd still have a pandemic response team - and - a global health security and biodefense team in place who'd have been the canaries in the coal mine and we wouldn't be where we are right now. But Shitler fired those two critically important groups TWO YEARS ago. Did ebola cause this much sickness, death, and economic implosion? NO! Because we had a competent president and government in place then. And thank goodness for that cuz they had to dig us out of Depression #2, thanks to Dubya's incompetence
by (1.6k points)
@lathery80 I cannot think of a single politician who would refuse to bail out the mortgage banks and instead tell them they have to go 9 months without profits. There isn’t a single human in politics who isn’t bought and paid for. No one hangs the burden on the big corporations. Not a single president ever has, and the ones who have promised to do so are liars.  
by (1.1k points)
@canonicals54714 See my response to @ignorant72 above. You can thank the buffoon in the Whitey House for your situation, NOT my fear. Hey how about this? Go lick every doorknob and door handle in every nursing home and long-term care facility within a 50 mile radius of your house - then check back with me in 3 weeks. IF you're still alive. Unless, of course, you're AFRAID to.  
+35 votes
by (2.2k points)
Has any country tested their entire population yet? Will this even ever be feasible? By the time we get there, the country will be in ruins.  
by (360 points)
@guadalupeguadeloupe no. South Korea and Germany both did more testing in general but I don’t think they made it though their entire population. Given their size iy may be a bit easier than anything we can do in the states. Especially since people aren’t reading to see what’s happening around the world. They are only relying on what polarized news broadcasts and opinion shows are telling them arguing without actual knowledge or opinions of their own.  
by (700 points)
@guadalupeguadeloupe South Korea. They did contact tracing as well. It is feasible if foresight existed.  
by (360 points)
@detwiler549 yeah that whole foresight and leadership void is kind of a problem in the good ole US. if we could only finger point our way through the right process  
by (710 points)
@detwiler549 it’s reasonable if you’ve just been through a similar thread less than 20 years ago, and have a borderline authoritarian government and a potential over-compliant populace, sure. Geographical size and chronological proximity to the last similar threat alone make this quite apples and oranges.  
by (700 points)
@almond I dont disagree the US is a different beast. Doesnt mean that foresight and planning dont make a difference. They do. You dont need a totalitarian regime.  
by (1.6k points)
@guadalupeguadeloupe if we can vaccinate 95% of the people, we can test them for this. The problem isn’t lack of ability. It’s lack of equipment.  
by (330 points)
Looking at these statistics, the country that tested the highest percentage of it citizens is Iceland at 11. 2% and that was over several months.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID...sting
+1 vote
by (2.2k points)
How long can we shelter in place?  
by (910 points)
@sibeal your worthless and weak . look what the greatest generation did . . went to war without complaining . All we have to do is sit on the couch !  
by (710 points)
@anuradhapura88 that is a VERY privileged position from which to view indefinite sheltering in place. You should consider yourself lucky to be able to have such a position, the majority of the US does not. What kind of awful person calls someone worthless and weak just because they may urgently need to re-start their cash flow?  
+10 votes
by (1.1k points)
The economy won't make sheltering in place much longer.  
+53 votes
by (820 points)
All I see is that June is approaching soon with that the expiration of the $600 extra payment given to people who are unemployed. If we are to be closed for much longer what is you plan of survival if you remain unemployed?  
by (1.6k points)
@morbidity22822 the extra $600 is through July 31
by (700 points)
@morbidity22822 aren’t they extending the unemployment past 26 weeks also?  
by (820 points)
@veach regular unemployment that caps at $400 something yes but the $600 will stop coming in July.  
by (820 points)
@ignorant72 ok then July. What’s the people’s plan after that runs out?  
+9 votes
by (1.6k points)
What define elderly?  
by (160 points)
@naquin4075 Grant tRump NOSE it all!  
+51 votes
by (10.7k points)
I think this plan was authored by Dr. Fauci. It sounds reasonable, as long as we have adequate test kits available, with prompt turn-around of results.  
+21 votes
by (1.7k points)
Did you all hear Bill Gates when he said “ a proven vaccine for all the world would be ready late next year”.  
+49 votes
by (4.3k points)
We’ve had 125 deaths in Illinois 2x this week in a 24 hour period. Pritzer said today before moving to the next phase we need a decline for 14 days in a row.  
+28 votes
by (2.2k points)
I'm curious as to how we go about getting to this place? Current state asks us to reuse our PPE for 12 hours at a time, depend on strangers to make us cloth masks and since we're REALLY desperate, send our N95 masks (that are meant to be used once to be at it's most effective) to be 'decontaminated' up to TWENTY times per mask. yep, this plan seems completely reasonable  
+46 votes
by (380 points)
Does your nonsensical look at the plan include following Trump’s tweets for individuals to “liberate” their states by defying shelter in place orders? Because clearly, that is part of the plan.  
by (4.3k points)
@humberto41 it’s disgusting he’s enticing people to be so irresponsible. Trump is dangerous. Wait, we will see those same people out there protesting and looking for treatment and overwhelming the hospitals and their staff.  
by (380 points)
@naquin4075 agreed. The fact that people fall for his propaganda is baffling. I’m amazed that folks aren’t smarter, and that they seem ok with being led around like sheep.  
+50 votes
by (390 points)
I trust Dr. Fauci. He became head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in 1984 and has served 6 different presidents in that time of both parties and that is a hard feat to pull off. He is well respected by both sides. He has managed to serve us, the public, well in spite of the political party in the oval office. At 79 he could just hang it up, but instead he stands up and fights for the public good. He deftly has handled the current situation without falling into the politics of it. I truly believe he hangs in there for the health of the public. I think everybody can agree that there is no easy solution here - we are taking a leap into the unknown. My hope is that we'd follow the science and not the politics.  
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