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Hey Everyone!  First post here.Hey Everyone! First post here. I am building a house and I've been geekin over home automation. It's something that I've always wanted to get into but now I have an opportunity to really do it right. I am currently in the planning stage because my house wont be finished until late July - early August. So I'll be posting questions and answering what I can. I plan on putting ethernet ports in every room to run CAT 6a when possible, but am also going to stand up a Wifi 6 mesh network for when I have to go wireless. Does anyone have any 802. 11ax IoT recommendations?  
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Home assistant. Hass. io
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@lateritious good choice, open source is where it's at, imo
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The question I ask myself all the time is how long will it take for mainstream smart home products to support 802. 11ax - Seems like everyone is moving to a hubless environment anyway. Just an opinion.  
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So my home is controlled by basically a smartthings hub. Most of my light switches are zigbee - but as my home has evolved I have installed a good bit of wi-fi controllable switches and bulbs. When it comes to automation I use smartthings and amazon routines for automation. Motion from Ring doorbell after 5PM turn on Patio light and Driveway light. Motion after 12AM turn on Patio, Driveway and Dining room Lamp. So I think understanding what automations you may want would help. So having a vlan for my IOT stuff only is the move that I will migrate to very soon.  
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@lateritious forget a hubless automation, you need a centralized controller that can control all the automatons. Only choice would be on the grid, or off.  
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As a question @metatarsus so a product that is Wifi lets say the C by GE products that are all wifi. And the App connected to lets say Alexa or Google Home. Again as I run a Smarthings controller why does a hubless future seem like not the direction things are going. Asking to maybe understand surely not debate, lol.  
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@kutaisi having either Alexa or google control a swith is really not a smart home. It is just another unnecessary step in controlling a switch. Developing a real smart environment, the system reacts to set parameters the owner wants to happen. Why talk to a device to havd it do something? When i walk into a dark room, the system should recognize entry and react accordingly. When i leave room, it should know i have left the room and turn off the lights. I have been doing home automation for over 20 years. Make it smart!  
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I agree @metatarsus but you don't have to speak for automations to begin with a voice assistant at the center of your system. One of the problems I have with home automation in the past was when those devices are no longer available or technology moves past them. Thats for the perspective though. Amazing conversation
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I don't know of any 802. 11ax IoT devices, and I suspect that if that's what you want to standardize on, you're at least 18-24 months away from availability of all types of devices (sensors, switches, etc). Even then, do you really want wifi for home automation? Almost all wifi smart home devices (homekit devices excluded) rely on their own third party cloud. Better to stay local (zigbee, zwave. )
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@lateritious Well just to be clear, "wired" and "wifi" are really in the same bucket when it comes to smart home devices: It's just a transport, it does NOT guarantee a local API. Whereas zigbee/zwave are both transports and local API protocols/command sets.  
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@lateritious well, smart switches are still switches regardless of protocol. so you can still use smart light switches without internet. Any *automations* just may fail if cloud dependent. For what it's worth, I'm a huge fan of Lutron, which uses their own protocol on 433mhz (Lutron ClearConnect). The 'Pro' Lutron hub has a local API that is supported by all "big name" home automation systems. The Lutron pico remotes are what seals the deal for me - add a switch anywhere.  
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I would suggest zwave protocol; use wall switches in each room. Stay away from smart light bulbs, and wifi devices! Used wired motion detection to tigger actions. Think about installing water shutoff such as water cop with water sensors in key areas. Build a true smart house, that reacts to real light conditions, moments, environmental conditions. Have doors lock and unlock when arriving and leaving. So many conditions to consider. Wired cameras.  
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What would be the reason anyone would need cat6 to every room anymore? Serious question. Are there things that one would plug into an ethernet jack other than a hub?  
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Computers, TVs, DVRs, etc. The fewer things on wifi the better!  
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@unclothe1851 oh well yeah that's true. I'm just imagining an outlet height jack on a wall
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I wish I would have run cable downstairs so I could hook my desktop right into the network. There's no bandwidth as thick as straight from the cable. LOL
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Everything you possibly can! Wifi is lovely, but it's not even close to a cable for reliability and consistent speed. I have 4 ports behind the lounge AV cabinet and I wish I'd run at least 6! The only rooms I cabled that aren't using some connections right now are the guest bedrooms and the upstairs landing.  
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Run cat6 and maybe a 22/4 alarm wire (in case you can’t use PoE power) to a few locations where you might want a tablet. Don’t forget the doorbell. Home run some cat6 there too, don’t let the electrician run it directly to the dinger. Cameras? A lot easier wire for those now. While you’re running that alarm wire, run it to your windows and doors and keypad locations. Wired security is far superior, and you can add IP interface to major brands (like DSC or Honeywell), or find a fancier brain box. If you end up not using it, not much money lost. Might as well add a cat6 to the keypad too. Just in case. Add smurf tube to major locations like TVs, equipment rack, or wherever you might find yourself very sad if you need to add fiber, or something else unforeseen. Pre-wire for a pair of ceiling speakers in various rooms. You can figure out the speakers and amplification etc later. Maybe wire for an in-wall sub in master bed and great room? Or at least some 75-ohm coax near a corner so you can hook up a powered sub later.  
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@terpsichore ip cameras
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@metatarsus caught me mid-edit. Added those.  
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