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kym Yes, it was a blanket statement, that could have been clarified better, but was pointed towards this DIY group, as they would generally not know half of what we're talking about now (though they should). Wifi is NOT secure when not setup properly, conversly, Zwave is pretty secure, right out of the box. Anything can be secured to a degree, but our point in developing the white paper was that anything "connected" is typically inherently insecure, out of the box. As you point out, our research found about 60% of "hacks" were simply due to people not changing the default username and passwords. Some do, for things they think about, like cameras and locks, but rarely think of the "big brand" AV receiver thats network connected, or the TV they are streaming stuff through. There are so many devices in a single home, that are connected to either ethernet or WIFI, and each one opens potential holes in the network. Your latest statements read right out of the whitepaper. Check it out. It is actually being used to develop standards now, too. I hope we havent bored the crap out of everyone here. Maybe scared em a little and they'll secure their devices better. ;)