I lost 85 lbs this past year using the old points with the slider since my mom still had all the information. The thing I don't like about the app is that it's making everyone dependant on it to figure out the points, where with the older programs, you learned how to read a food label. I don't even need my slider to figure out points since I know roughly 50 cal. is a point and if it has over 10 grams of fat, I need to bump it up another point (again, this is on an older program). I'm not saying the newer programs are bad, it would just be nicer if you could decipher their algorithm easier to figure out points without needed to scan it first.