+18 votes
by (1.5k points)
     This is why home security and home control hardware that depends on the vendor's cloud is a terrible thing. All you lovers of those Ring and Nest toys? Beware.  
https://www.forbes.com/sites/charle...e5795
      This is why home security and home control hardware that depends on the vendor's cloud is a te

15 Answers

+6 votes
by (780 points)
Um marketshare. if Ring did that they’d be open to a huge class action lawsuit.  
by (1.5k points)
Well, yes. I trust my Alexa devices will stay up. Company size and market share matters.  
by (2.3k points)
Google junked "Works with Nest" and had no consequence.  
+3 votes
by (5.2k points)
I’m ok with having things use AWS for storage. Ain’t going nowhere anytime soon. IE ring.  
+15 votes
by (440 points)
I love hacking ring and nest cameras
0 votes
by (4.9k points)
Too many data breaches with them. NVR and PoE cameras is the way to go.  
by (680 points)
I have all Axis PoE and NVRs running on FreeBSD, just for this reason. Friends and co-workers told me I was paranoid when I didn't trust cloud.  
+11 votes
by (5.2k points)
No wonder the Belkin servers were down the other day
+6 votes
by (790 points)
That’s going to hurt all the small guys. I always aim for the team with the biggest market share for this very reason.  
+11 votes
by (770 points)
Timing is super odd. Who takes these decisions?!?  
+2 votes
by (1.7k points)
I like having a combo of cloud cameras and nvr. If ring bricks my outside cameras it doesn't matter since they are under life time warranty as long as i keep my service active
+15 votes
by (1.5k points)
@glume but why pay for their service when you can do it all for free, on your own? Just not understanding. What unique benefit are you getting from their service?  
by (1.7k points)
Because their service cost me 99$ a year and with that i get a 200$ deduction on my home owners insurance so I make 100$ having it
by (1.5k points)
OK -- now THAT'S the first valid reason I've heard! Good for you. Would you not get that same deduction with a self-managed option?  
by (1.7k points)
No insurance companys want professional monitering which sucks because the few times the alarm has been tripped I've just told the monitoring company id call the cops if I needed and sure enough when I logged into my cameras it was just my cat pulling down a sensor
by (5.6k points)
From a security professional perspective, I can make the argument either way. But the why, could be justified with the fact that you get better security in the terms of version management and patching. These businesses stay on top of cve's and bug reports and issue security patches pretty quickly. They also push these patches to the devices. End users are not always as reliable. Too many times have I gone to a client to find outdated firmware on their devices. Also, every DIY community forum on the internet is chalk full of people trying to fix things they've bricked or broken themselves. Don't get me wrong, I still prefer local control of my devices, but I do this stuff for a living. Most end users do not. So, from a security and reliability (I repeat myself) perspective, cloud based security cameras have a decent argument to be made on their behalf. Another security perspective has to do with environmental controls. I live in northern alabama where we get a lot of tornados and whatnot. Off site storage is a common security practice for many businesses, and makes sense for the home owner as well. A house fire or tornado or flood (kids suck) can cause a total loss of equipment leaving footage unrecoverable. Cloud storage is a way to bypass that. The insurance argument has already been made above, I see. Anyways, just some food for thought. While I prefer local control, I can see that the argument for cloud support isn't always a dumb one.  
by (4.9k points)
I've never had an insurance company ask if I was 3rd party monitored. They simply ask if I have a security system. Why yes, yes I do. Elk M1 Gold.  
+14 votes
by (430 points)
Explain this to customers daily.  
+11 votes
by (4.9k points)
This is why as much of my home automation as possible has no cloud component and is under strictly local control. Obviously can't be done for everything, some things - like Alexa units - only work as cloud appliances. But almost everything else is strictly local. In my case, that mostly means wifi devices reflashed with after-market firmware.  
+2 votes
by (270 points)
Zmodo isn't far behind
+15 votes
by (690 points)
I never trusted Belkin to begin with.  
+9 votes
by (1.5k points)
I can't say my experiences with Belkin products has been particularly good over the years. These days they don't really factor in my buying choices and fortunately I'm unaffected by this announcement. Another company that did the dirty on users was TCP with their smart lights. I just about avoided losing money on them and are also on my "no go" list of supplies
+14 votes
by (540 points)
Cameras. with wires. with a DVR box with hard drives. If you care about CCTV that’s what you have.  
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